Episode 42: The Control Function – The StrongFit Podcast

Episode 42: The Control Function – The StrongFit Podcast


maybe we should address that first thank
God you don’t have there’s been a glaring problem we’ll
start right now there’s been a glaring problem that I’ve been noticing within
strong fit as an organization and that is this you have a very disproportionate
amount of white apparel it is somewhat racist I well I guess yes absolutely
what it is is that I am incapable of maintaining a white shirts whiteness for
more than like three wears it is an issue between training and for whatever
reason my daughter’s red clothes showing up with my white t-shirt yeah there’s
been a few issues yeah my stuff ends up being this very soft gray after about
four was all you made soft pink so anytime I’m not yeah yeah she’s like
what you know the socks that you put yeah yeah the other thing is having a
beard a mustache especially once the mustache gets weird long you can’t even
drink water I don’t like out of a bottle what is
food that is just up it is a factors that water and you go shit yeah so if I
drink anything that’s not water let’s talk about that for a second the
reason we are doing it to whiteness a lot is because we have order of shirts
four months ago that are still not here yeah wherever I went in this world the
t-shirt business has to be the most complex to figure out yeah I can’t get
short on yeah I can’t get down like virtually we had those really cool you
know like the baseball thing the sleeves yeah I wanted you know like super
complex black gray sleeves no weed I think three months now I’m not allowed
so they’re going to give us the other one but and then they’re printer we just
learned that the printer broke down yesterday so they’re gonna have to ship
down the rest of the order of two M saw them to be finished before and I’m like
you I by the way the UNC with the same shit yeah oh yeah I remember about
another t-shirt don’t we would have we had an order one time of like 300 shirts
400 shirts and we’re a company that sells more to the 4xl shirts yeah
probably everybody yeah but we also carried extra smalls and stuff but we
carry not a big female audience that we have
no big don’t want dude the male you’d like to make fun of yes but we got a
Russians I remember we had an order of all of these shirts and they just
mistakenly didn’t order two of the extra small shirts and this or kept dragging
on and like it was two weeks after they said it was going to be done and they
never even said a word and then we’re like so it’s a message like a what’s the
deals I will hold on to three days past and it’s like oh well yeah though
everything’s done but we’re just waiting on them to send us those two extra
smalls and it’s like all right I’ve got thousands of dollars worth of inventory
that are like already something right now and I don’t need to hold it up over
two fucking shirts that I’m not gonna sell that I like give to my neighbors if
they come on that’s all yeah that’s assuming you don’t fuck them up I mean I
need four months yeah like we don’t get its exact even if it’s low at least I
can be consistent I’ll just order earlier right not even that like it’s
it’s a nightmare when we all run the u.s. one more order here what do you the
t-shirt industry man I know I’m not about yeah no you’re to be blamed for
the whiteness no I understand I’m not I’m not about to volunteer either but
the only people I know and granted we are the furthest thing from an apparel
company but most of the people I know in the apparel industry who make a living
like selling shirts in a in Sydney Fitness space the ones that do it either
to sell a fuck ton of shirts that’s them from war yeah they the ones who make a
living and don’t sell a ton but they have to they run their own screens they
like printed their own shirt yeah I mean it’s not worth it for them most likely
but I’m like so wait we have a bet going just so you
know like the dog has been sitting there on the couch staring into oblivion shit
as usual are we still doing this we’re still good I’m sorry the dog has been
staring into oblivion for the last 2-3 hours as usual right and we have a pet
to know how long is now that we started the podcast how long it’s gonna take for
him to come right in the middle I’ve know if you noticed in the last two he
likes to be in the middle so right now he’s just mostly not doing much but I
say within the next 20 minutes is in the middle
I agree I got to thinking about this last night he doesn’t understand what’s
happening here at all obviously face him we face him yeah actually there’s a
party taluk thinks he’s like some guys have been talking to me for a long
because we don’t he wants to come to us but what he is doing is watching us talk
at his face for 20 minutes and gotta go and say hi it’s something otherwise
you’re gonna start crying he’s probably doing us a favor on this stage now yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I get it you want me you want my attention
that’s funny way is going yep so for those of you watching what we do have is
just we’re getting constant uninterrupted eye contact from
off-camera and it’s all year you have no idea it’s really well we’ll put a camera
that way one time just so they can see like I’m saying he should be like we
should do an Instagram account for a No yeah game on it or as the felt desk
because it’s just it’s the most distracting thing everywhere is room
right in front right there and he just stares
yeah that’s psychopath of a dog it does that to me every time I play pool so I’m
somewhat used to it but sometime I’m like you’re gonna have to stop judging
me I’m just saying we are sir what do you mean I’m the boy I said I get back
in follow me oh there everyday where’s that we are set up there like
right in front of his spot – it’s like no nice but that might actually prepare
me for the pool tournaments cuz I like people looking at me like you’re not
sure I’m good you guys have no idea anyways so this
week what we want to talk about is let me back up yeah we’ve been doing you’ve
been doing a lot of new things you’ve been developing and dropping in
integrating new things or almost a year now almost a year of exclusively new
things yes I would I mean that’s going to be something we’re going to talk
about this defining them as new things I don’t really see them as new I see them
at the same concept I’ve always talked about just more precise events and it’s
almost like looking at it from a different view also it is more advanced
so in that sense yes I’ve been pushing the advanced stuff yeah in the last year
like crazy thank you and and and the thing that I’ve been that I like about a
lot of it is what it does is gives greater context
some of the real basic stuff from way back in the beginning he shows that he
was right from the beginning is just he’s more proof more validation to what
we’ve been saying for and and I think more of them is it also gives you a more
diverse approach to get to it to the information well meaning mean meaning
you’ll have art and that maybe not that I think a more diverse understanding
yeah and I believe also he improves the rightness of the correctness of what we
said because no matter which angle you go out it from you end up in the same
place you know always lead to Rome mm-hmm
that kind of tells me the concept of solid because no matter which way I go
at it end up in the same place every time plus and it gives you a little more
a wider scope of things to experiment in that gets you there which means then
your understanding of the primary the actual nature of the basic subject is
just much better because you’ve experimented many ways around it and got
there so you really know what you can do to get to it yeah and by the way they
all mean the same there’s different ways of saying the same thing which is what I
like with Zola like dude sure we’re going to go back to Charles Munger you
know that PDF that I talked about like the stuff that I that I read before the
barbershop podcast oh no no I was like six months a year before that was a for
my career as a coach was very important because he allow me I love the way was
looking at his own job so so for people I don’t know right it was a lecture down
in nineteen I believe in 1984 94 through the business school at USC Charles
Munger doesn’t write very did a lot of business lecture so Charles McGill so
you don’t know he’s a Warren Buffett’s right-hand man right so is the is the
co-owner on basically runs with Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway and he’s
one of the I would say brightest sharpest financial mind out there and so
he did that that talk at USC and he was talking about the points of worldly
wisdom right so he said that it’s fascinating like I have the PDF Eden
will post it well it was explaining like to him he looks at fun and sinks through
the lens of certain points of worldly wisdom which is I
believe a list of 24 principles and then that’s how he gauges whether they gonna
invest in a company or not the health of a company is always based on those
particular points and none of them really are about finance they’re about
strong principles of life of everyday stuff that you know like critical mass
that’s from physics some accounting but psychology all I stopped that allowing
to have a good understanding of what is in front of him and so that was
extremely important to me because he was like that is to me that is a correct way
to look at a problem not fragmented because that’s what I do so I’m going to
look at it to my own lens is like if a principle is right it should work for
everything it should work for life not just for training so if a principle that
I use for training is correct you should apply to life I think that’s important
because like you said in finance in their case specifically I think in
finance and fitness and everything what happens is we often only look for
ways through it via the lens of finance and the lens of fitness and the problem
is you get him to say Fitness what happens is it’s like okay well I only
want to think principles of what we understand and fitness so biology
bullshit energy systems that’s the thing is look at biology what follow is so far
yeah when he relates to Fitness so they’re gonna the problem is is
confirming – oh yeah yeah it’s like any of these systems but not really truly
biology because if you go to parallel G you end up with some questions you can’t
really answer so you end up it’s like a quantum mechanical thing where you’re
like what does that mean we don’t know so they look at it’s almost like a bad
case of confirmation bias in the fitness industries they look at what justify
what they are doing yeah most of the time right it’s super
fragmented answer and you’re not the only one by the way no archaeology is
the same like it is that you know that’s why we do and then we don’t move at all
yeah there’s great examples in archaeology with guys like what’s a guy
like graham hancock cause lots of studies that they’ve been doing lots of
research he’s moving for decades that says maybe some civil some of these
simulations are much older than we think and then what’s happen you hear many of
the things that the pushback and the thing just against
the true ruins yeah because it’s like well we just don’t want to know anymore
pseudoscience kind of yeah but the problem is they’re not they never are
attacking the claim they are taking the guy yeah
and that’s usually when you whenever you are taking the guy not the claim usual
you know the messenger yeah not the message that tells you something right
it says more about unity knows about the messenger usually yeah I mean and so
that’s what in the case I’m Hancock this is a journalist first but he’s like but
now he has the backing of very legitimate scientist and people are no
it’s very that case was was fascinating to me because what he was talking when
he was talking about archaeology you saw in physics is something called a copy
copy interpretation and I talked about all the time where quantum mechanics was
decided I see was nineteen twenty twenty two or twenty five in Copenhagen at the
niversity of Niels Bohr and that’s the way we are going to look at it so you
had Schroedinger Einstein’s some major of thinkers on one side and Niels Bohr
and his student all those guys on that side and because Niels Bohr was louder
and more charismatic than Einstein in a sense of yet a group of people and stuff
like that they kind of won the argument and after that for a kid not like over
80 years you are not allowed to question the Copenhagen interpretation if you
were to do your dissertation for your PhD on that they will tell you no you
will not pass it you will destroy your career
David’s born there with David Bohm which was one of the great American
philosopher but one of the best theoretical physicists got buried
because of that that and the fact that he was communist doing McCarthyism was
not a good thing but you’re also bad time ago yeah but he also got buried
because he went at the Copenhagen interpretation which you are not allowed
to do it took forever and some guys with big balls to go at it so archaeology is
facing the same issue where they’re like no and and you see and in science a lot
where a guy keeps pushing and then the wait until is dead or is not relevant
anymore to say yeah it was right but in the meantime they’ll crucify the guy for
four years yeah I see that in science all at Holland
case dealing in the Hancock case is what basically is happened to is what’s
finally getting more valid a she’s having to go to outside sources from API
meaning he’s having to validated stuff through geologists climate series
geologists are the one that are on board with him because you can see what this
we’ve already mapped his fucking time we know that you know it’s like so these
things all line up so so he’s getting his information from geologists yeah
because he can’t get it from archaeologists because they won’t go
there yeah welcome to the finish industry yeah yeah yeah like this
certain dogma that you’re not you know calories investors career by the way
when I say that let’s be honest the really good ones don’t say that no it’s
so it is that top of the pyramid well usually they know they don’t always know
the real good ones don’t speak in absolutes either you know why because
only six rolls yes deals with absolutely no and as the dark side of the force and
of course that’s that’s funny too is when I speak on things my first
temptation is to always be absolute just cuz I don’t want it’s like yes no way
that’s the best thing about that statement is saying only the cistrome
isn’t absolute absolute state I guess yes I mean you know like he wasn’t have
you become well that’s the problem is that it’s it’s not a nineteen that says
that it’s what’s his name so that means that he’s becoming assist north as well
because he’s starting to speak in absolutes and I was like that’s a
logical fallacy yeah that’s a big of a know my edema I’m watching Star Wars
going a logical anyways yeah I like I do like those muscle memories never saw my
favorite Ben Kenobi yes my favorite way to tell have a good
litmus test for people in the fitness space in the nutrition space is it when
they get asked a question like about thing like okay I’m a person in this
situation and they need this or is here and here the I’ll tell you this if you
want to really sound like you know what’s right the answer is always always
always starts with it depends because it does and so depends on the person
depends on this depends on that which is your hand and it’s also hide behind that
one horse you hide behind it but I but but that’s a thing where it’s like
alright well at least I know you’re getting at the right thing because it
depends it depends on the person yeah like it’s like that’s why I always know
like the conversation is gonna go badly on Instagram when the guy says science
has proven that yeah as I go boy and then that calories in versus calories
out or shit like that I was like no there’s no consensus when they say the
consensus are like there’s no consensus in nutrition for example no not
whatsoever like big why because some diets work for some and others like we
need to explain we need to figure out why by the way this is like that but
there is no consensus in nutrition and a consensus means you’re talking about 90%
plus of scientists agreeing on one thing yeah so it’s passed a principle it’s a
consensus right that means the the entire industries are going and you’re
not gonna get that the idea that you know like being at a calorie deficit
makes you lose weight and then being a colorist on placements
you gain weight and it’s that simple you know yeah like this plenty of studies
that shows you you can gain weight without getting into a calorie surplus
no it doesn’t work like that that’s why yeah you see a lot of that there’s a lot
of dog Matt you’ve used in in most of science and in Fitness history is not a
science but it is hooked to medical science and it’s and I think just as
many as the other one I think that’s why you prefer to attach things to concepts
and principles as opposed to like whatever that is you know what I mean
because I always feel like the conversation gets so pigeonhole that
that’s that’s a little bit my problem that I see in a lot of the studies is
you have to understand that truth relates to context always most of the
studies is done very not valid or not true is just that they are shown in a
specific context so my question every time becomes can that context be applied
to everyday life to everyday people or even athletes and that’s where I
disagree with a lot of stuff when they said this study shows that I’m like yes
this study shows that in that context but that context is not the context that
athlete is in because life is not that controlled environment like if you look
at studies it’s mostly done in to university so it’s younger people
you know not necessarily have a day job because if you have the day job you
don’t have the time to do a study people he gives 30 euros for foot and most
people and make money I’m not going to waste their time so there’s a lot of
stuff that go as to who the studies made on and the context around the studied
that does not invalidate the study but it might invalidate the application of
the study maybe you’ll feel a little less applicable to everybody but the
problem is that is fast or poly but the thing is that doesn’t mean the study is
invalid mm-hm either so you can say well the study is true in that context but
that doesn’t mean you are in that context so if you try to apply that
study to you it might not work yeah that’s what I see a lot and then
when that happens they go like well it’s your fault yeah you know like the
athlete didn’t do that or the person why you’re weak mentally or whatever maybe
the person isn’t weak mentally maybe we are fucking up the the way we look at
things you know it’s like the red podcast we did on the yesterday force on
the selfish brain theory may be that we explain why obese people always crave
food maybe it’s not just funny you have a problem they have a problem and maybe
there is a psychological issue there but maybe it is also a software issue that
in fortunately years of abuse to themselves there so maybe psychological
reasons but maybe they started operating as a way to cope with stress because
they did instead of fighting in the other way things are coded to yeah and
it’s not just the airport thalamus now it’s not just the chemical stuff is that
the software now is basically making them get worse and worse and worse so
you can’t just say Fatih stop eating yeah right it’s it’s not just conscious
decision and chemical said there’s something in between those two right and
the studies don’t don’t engage those that that analogy you just made it’s the
perfect way to start into specifically what we wanted to have to do right so
one of the basic things that you talked about forever really yeah was the
control function that’s actually part of their channels monger thing okay I see I
think that’s maybe I got it no no no no sorry that’s but it’s back to the time
of Charles Munger when I was looking for my 24 24 but you know for the principles
and I was talking to an engineer and then I might even get it from
one of the other yeah because it comes from that time so we’re talking at least
one without uh if you’re watching of course we’re not at the whiteboard but
the control function is essentially a straight line it would be your true zero
on your f and then you have action perfection that is perfection that is
exactly where whether its movement food behavior anything that systems operating
optimally then you have varying degrees of deviation things above and below
that’ll scoop high and hopefully as time passes that tightens its you that’s the
image the image on this two ways and the oscillation gets big imagine a pendulum
swing that’s what it represents right and though the pnina mess wings gets
bigger or it gets smaller when it gets bigger that means the Dalian platoon
that oscillation represents mistakes yeah the amplitude of the mistake right
so if it gets better smaller so it’s called a well dent
control function because you start with huge mistakes and they get smaller over
time and if they go the other way it’s you know not well done control function
that means the the the implicit of the mistakes are getting bigger and bigger
and bigger yeah and and for me that was a very interesting thing for me as a as
a new coach especially when I was starting is I didn’t I I actually
thought going into it that my job was I’m gonna go in and you’re if you don’t
move well that I have to get you to move well today and and I and what what
happens is that’s when you I would see people start to seek a position yes or
attention and they start to it’s like because cuz they gotta get them there
fast and yeah I loved it because it made me look at things and knowing I just
needed to start to prioritize their process which meant I know all right we
need to do this let’s fix this and we tighten and we keep and and you have to
allow for some sort of failure mistakes right cuz just like you said if you
can’t walk up to somebody and say hey lunchbox put down the fork and they’re
not gonna be like alright cool right well I’m just telling me yep perfect
because it will never ever ever work that fun that’s never gonna go from the
wide deviation acted to zero hurry so what I liked about the control function
is to me show me to two things first of all a straight line you’re never gonna
get it so imagine is
around a straight line and you’re trying to get close or to this straight line
but you’re never gonna get there yeah so that I like that
and then because welcome to dealing with humans mm-hmm that’s that’s what happens
right and then the second part that I like is introduced the idea of time yeah
right that it that you cannot judge progress on one thing not and not on a
snapshot not on a snapshot that it’s a movie not a snapshot not a picture right
and by the way that’s true for a lot of things because if you look you’re not
going to learn a technique on the Olympic one if thing just by looking at
a picture I mean you you can try because it’s gonna hurt a guy yeah I fucking
tell you what yeah whatever I had a guy who never snatched never did anything
came in he had done some obstacle course race training and was very fit but never
did any no real weight room stuff you know barbell stuff and I think like I
don’t know a few weeks in we have the snatch thing and it was like some
cycling or whatever or something we didn’t do a lot of it but I was like hey
we haven’t taught this out in the thing I’ve since you’ve been here so I’m just
gonna have you do something else yet for now and he looks at me I says well can
you just demo it for me one more time I’m like sure it was like power handed
powers or something and he looks at me and goes he grabs his bar fucking
perfect fucking shit hurts my feelings so much to this day okay this one guy
was one guys you’re not it is a million after that but yeah exactly
yeah I need an exceptional absolut everything for but the problem also is
like for example you take that guy my god it starts at a low amplitude mm-hmm
that doesn’t mean there is no mistake correct
absolu and out you don’t miss that quite yeah I’m saying I’m saying it was
perfect as in like there’s nothing I’m going to give you today right exactly
but as he tries to get better all right the problem is to try to get straight to
that perfection that’s why a lot of the shit happens like imagine if you’re
studying a car like it’s that’s the drawing I use at the similar all the
time you have basically you have a hill like this and you have your car on it so
is the car going up or down if you yeah if you had a picture you could never
tell right let’s say you can’t see whether we’re going with the will you
see we all know which way goes right the key is unless you know what happened
before you don’t know what’s gonna happen after
write this you need you have to look at it as a set of images and not not a
single one so it’s a movie not not a picture right and also what was
interesting to me was with that idea of time because he would presented the job
of a coach what it meant is that for a coach you this is where you start and it
doesn’t matter first of all no right you don’t get to
judge that person walking in on working in that day based on how they do that
day that’s a mistake we all make and I think let’s start with that one I think
that’s a mistake a lot of us made I would say that ego that’s the dark side
of the force that’s so the analogy I uses you know what planet Dagobah the
Empire Strikes Back Luke is training under Yoda and then he goes to the dark
cave and he sees that and yes you’re that what we like because your dad tells
him to go into the dark cave and look ask what will I find in there and you
that tells him whatever you bring with you and a lot of that happens in
coaching we bring ourselves into our coaching which is normal because we’re
humans but there are a few it is placed as parts of yourself that you need to
make sure you that you haven’t checked if you do it is a few pitfalls because I
think bringing yourself into your coaching is required require you
oh it is or not yeah so and so and if you coach without the better parts of
yourself involved in it then you’re just not your connection also you don’t
question and then however not all have flaws yeah and and and I remember you
know in my case it was I was easily frustrated and sometimes impatient and I
tend to over communicate everything so when I also when I would coach I would I
could catch myself fuck all right stop talking doing idiot
but me I realized very quickly that there was a profound drive to not want
people to look a certain way in my gym mm-hmm and I was like yeah and then I’ve
seen that with a lot of coaches as well it’s like if you train here you’re gonna
move correctly I agree completely that is for me a requirement of a go Jimmy’s
of coaches thinks that way but others I mean they’re gonna move correctly today
exactly so that goes down to also the core of who
you are the coaches you want everybody to do so well right so you want people
to do well today and the job is not the straight line the
job is better mm-hmm that’s also something I had the hardest time to get
to wrap my head around and so I want that if you’re part of my dream I move
next movement specialist you’re gonna move well problem with that is that
meant like some time I was I felt the pool too while making them look good
yeah but that expense of what yeah right that’s about some time like the expense
of their body because they are not ready and especially you not go there and
especially when you’re worried about how something looks that’s when you do get
into that it’s like it’s position of tension yeah and then you’re worried
about the wrong things because a good that lifts at first Mike
look like shit but at least your spine is not moving whereas I can make you
look great and then you blow up your back every single time this is a very
strong point about that because who wants to be the coach who is athletes
move like shit then then you look bad and that’s the
dark side of the force right so here’s a funny when we had our spot are my
CrossFit gym that we that I owned was on Main Street downtown floor-to-ceiling
windows yeah all the way across exactly and everybody living and so and so for
me it was really interesting trying to figure out like as I’m scaling things or
put it allowed you it’s kind of helping people set the range of motion for
certain things you know if I you have somebody with you know yeah but it’s
like you just embrace yeah but just don’t lock it out for now I want you to
find it and so do this but then what happens is you get that temptation
really what if someone else who sees people not long house that presses don’t
do that yeah this thing was a trap yeah put the phone down
yeah that becomes that so I guess that now yeah and that becomes and everything
you described and the put on the fork now fix your trap yeah I didn’t go
through that it negates the process and he gets to human and it negates the
human and also it is treating a symptom yes and not the problem
yeah by the way when you say don’t do that you’re not giving him a way to do
it he’s just telling him don’t shrug yeah yeah okay thank you
that’s a good let’s find out I was doing it with
told me yeah so again we’re going back to this to think these chemical
reactions and your conscious mind and nothing in between so therefore you
don’t want to work on the price you want and I’m like oh come on yeah
like the body is a lot smarter than that why because it’s a software the software
will make you sure – until you figure out why so now the control function was
very important in that sense because it explained coaching to me and one of the
biggest thing for me again was looking at it going like my job is not for
example someone comes con squad Bo power my job is not below pollo no then I
realize because that’s actually started the conversation with the internal talk
in my head and everything I was like my job is better right
so I’ve grandma most likely especially with a barbell grandma will never break
pal right so I was like so and then you know at first young coach you try to
make them break parallel you try to make them break parallel with a barbell
clients of your filty numbing like first of all and then so it brought up two
questions first question is should day but even past a shoot day I realize that
I give them a sandbag and then they all break parallel mmm like what the fuck
yeah like I’ve been trying to make you do that for six months I give you sin
make you break parallel and your form is great I was like so that rocked my at
the time I couldn’t understand why this handbag work so well it kind of rocked
my way of thinking because I was like first of all I’ve been pounding them on
a barbell right well they can’t break parallel without looking at they’re
gonna kill himself which by the way means I fell as a coach yeah because if
you are forcing your clients to to break parallel when they don’t have the
capacity you teaching position of attention you’re failing as a coach and
just by switching the exercise I got what I wanted them to do in the first
place yeah so tell me that’s not an ego trip on my
part to make that to say that you have to break parallel with a barbell I was
like now they’re breaking parallel with a sandbag looking better than with a
barbell so it was two things it was like maybe right now they should do the
sandbag instead of the barbell and second of all why is the sandbag working
that the barbell isn’t I was like alright
oh my god and then that got me to all the internal talk and everything but it
was a very important moment because I realized that it was not about perfect
good whatever the fuck you want to call it it was about better yeah that’s it my
job was better real time that’s it and that dial is in
exactly the one we talked about a few episodes ago with exploration versus
exploitation somebody is is is if say that person that client if their goal
soon whatever is that they want to express or exploit their strength and
skill with the barbell then yes will get you from where you are now we’ll go to
what we can get better better and we’ll go sandbag to parallel and then we can
get you to Barbados we need to do to get you’re a person who doesn’t need it
doesn’t ever need to express it that way with that then let’s just do better and
let’s just keep leaning into better I have no problem with a barbell but like
let’s say like you know if someone is gonna have a problem what if he takes
you six months of work to break parallel with a barbell you know like with your
Apes achy we’re getting much training while you may be yeah well it gets me
one most to do it with the sandbag I’m like alright guys like again like ego
gets in the way my greatest failure as a coach was actually that Michael man gets
to a point where he can lap an 80 kilo sandbag right so that’s by the way 65
year old Michael men weighing 160 right honking weight never train a day in his
life he was I think my greatest success as as a coach right I talk about him all
the time very very good friend of mine top of it elapsed three Killick 80 kilos
sandbag goes three reps shit good words bright pile I’ll be singing I would like
any mom and I’m like I’m kind of curious to see what happens with a barbell
alright so next session we put some weight and then this 135 on about 60
kilos so 20 kilos less than the sandbag and the first two reps you don’t you
when you make the face and then I’m like this right literally like this and he
goes three four five reps three four five are my greatest failure as a coach
I should have stopped him at two yeah I did five reps
everything was fine no back pain or knee pain I should never let him do this
before in five because he looked in a way where I had no business putting 60
colonies on his back and like the it wasn’t even the in the same it wasn’t a
same exercise yeah him squaring with the sandbag and him doing whatever the fuck
that was was you know like nice for world
facility thank God he was strong from the sandbag otherwise he would have hurt
himself and that’s my greatest failure as a
coach because there was a curiosity as to how come the sandbag works and then
the Sun the barbell doesn’t because they’re hands up I didn’t have it’s
quite problem he had a barbell problem shoulder everything just could not
sustain the weight on his polymers upper back not the rest yeah so but I should
have stopped at two and go like no mm-hmm no no like the work I’m doing
with the sandbag is more beneficial to him then the barbell at this stage and
because you kind of maybe tried to to rush to dampen that a little bit faster
do you want to see where things were see how close it was no let’s be honest I
wanted to I thought he was badass to make him squat with a barbell yeah cuz I
could put it on Instagram and you know like he makes me look good that’s all we
know that is that’s more about just what you brought into the cave and secondly
I’m gonna plug that’s why it’s my greatest failure as a coach because I’ll
let my ego my vanity gets in the way of his well-being which way all of the
ethics of a coach yeah it’s an unnecessary increase in risk especially
if you fuck 65 on the barbell with weight now that is a direct breach of
the ethics of a culture yeah so that was great that is my greatest failure
nothing happens thank God otherwise I’d still been beating my head against the
wall on that one but still that is my greatest failure as a coach I’ll let my
vanity got in the way Tom he’s well being and now you can do it with your
own shit not with somebody else’s yeah yeah do you do this like so when I think
the control function what I like to do especially in coaching yes is I will
look at any number of scenarios that I see with an athlete it’s essentially
just goal-setting is what I look yeah here’s where we are there’s some
problems this is where we’d like to be and do you do anything as far as like
maybe mapping like mapping out to prioritize some of these things
I mean I’ve ever had on the movement the situation whether it’s yeah but from
coaching this to me so you said exploration versus
exploitation right that’s a notch I look at it memorization versus learning yeah
right explosion is learning exploitation is memorization well you know something
works because you’ve seen your coach do it or honestly do it and
everything and you try to implement it in what you do which is a normal way of
looking at it right this worked I need to make it work okay that’s exploitation
but exploitation with that exploration does not work so before you can memorize
something and put it in the back it’s you have to learn it first
that is starfish versus alpha zero that we talk about all the time it’s like you
get there you get the lesson you forget the experience you know people try to
memorize stuff and not learn I see it all the time so I think that’s actually
one of the greatest weakness that I see in cultures is that that this works so
all I gotta do is memorize it and I need work now doesn’t plug anything into
anybody else it’s thinking you can learn to cook by reading recipes and I see
that way too much like that’s what they all like you see a lot of coaches are
jealous of their programming like they don’t want to share it and I’m like yeah
sure like I’ll tell templates and everything
like what you want like people ask me what’s on it iMac I’ll show you right
now I’ll show you a sample I’ll show you two weeks three weeks like jealous of
your programming I’m like you think that’s what sense makes you laugh it’s
better than programming like guys I’m sorry to tell you like if you’re doing
course our programming and everything you need to know how to program yeah
there’s no doubt right and you should take the courses that teach you that but
if for a second you think that’s where progress is is that means you’re too
young into you into your field like you can fuck people up by not programming
correctly yeah that’s for sure but once you have programming then the works out
yeah and it’s about learning right and so most of that stuff is being done not
memorized yeah right learning is about doing yeah right I would say you know
it’s another art you know ways I think memorization is enduring and learning is
doing yeah right just like you enjoy your conditioning workout you memorize
your education yeah right and that’s enduring that’s a flight mode to me
memorization is flight you memorize only what you did not understand yeah that
actually makes a lot of sense to me yeah because that’s that’s my go-to is like
we gotta remember this gotta remember this because I don’t want to know it
either oh because you made it no but you haven’t had an epiphany moment you
haven’t you know like that epiphany moment what is an epiphany to me is that
moment where alpha zero changes code to because it became better by
understanding what happened on the chess board right that moment where you let
the experience go but you keep the lesson that’s learning because you have
incorporated that knowledge within you are within your own code exactly that
knowledge that in obviously knowledge and information of things but
information as we speak of it in the context from a couple episodes ago that
that that information has to become a part of you exactly and I think and and
for me it took me a long time to figure out because that’s on how you’re taught
at school necessary I don’t know it’s at least not where I was from so so it was
very much memorized these are the things this is because I don’t care whether you
can use it on takeaway do that is not the point of of school poner of school
is average enough that you can work at the factory yeah and I don’t mean that
in a mean way I mean that was literally the Baidu I think it’s terrible no I
think but that is literally you have to understand like school the way it is now
is create 150 years ago for that purpose it was to take the kids away from the
farms to give them a basic education they could use in fact away where we
wanted everybody to be yeah that’s basically Industrial Revolution right
now where we need to pull people away from falls into the cities to make them
work in factories and that’s what school was created for and you can nothing if
you can get a kid very used to the very young age doing what they’re told and
working emulation it I understand how the machine works when you’re working on
the on the fucking chain you just need to memorize what he has to
do and then you doing hey it’s Charlie Chaplin you know in the
factory and so many times that’s what memorization is is a failure to
integrate the knowledge right and so I think that’s the biggest problem that I
see with cultures is that is that the resort it’s a flight mode they resort
memorization because they don’t have its and like you
it said as that memory memorization they people view that as the end result as
opposed to the journey I mean it meaning meaning it’s like just like with we
talked with the controllers like I’m just gonna get to the perfection where
you can memorize what perfection is that’s
in a tour you can look at it or picture and go like I’m on that I’m like yeah
sure I want that too except it’s fucking drag to perfection is not what that is
like for you to do that to get to there you got to go from here to here the
control function tells you there is no destination is only a drone it there and
I think this is a tremendous lesson about life in that there is no
destination like by the way even on a if we go talk about a chemical level or the
software it’s true as well there is no such thing as happiness what makes you
happy is not the happiness that not the destination it’s the journey there we
know that the second you get the outcome that you thought was going to make you
happy you’re not happy anymore there what was
interesting was to get there that’s that’s how the shit works and that’s
what the control function really tells you is that it’s the it’s a journey not
a destination and I think if you do it right though what I like is is that
process of the dampening of the cold control function
I like that winning when a person has made progress I get when when I feel
what’s the word I don’t know happy or proud or whatever
when I when you’re coaching somebody because they’ve covered a lot of ground
it really is nothing to do with the fact that they now can squat well to parallel
learn now they’ve lost 20 kilos it’s on Oh God isn’t it what it is is that they
I know what we what they first off put into that process and I know what step
one mentor I’m at step two and that was you know and and and that being here in
ours and what it is it’s everything that you did before that and so by the way
that’s a very good point like we always said you know it’s about becoming the
human that can do whatever it is that you want to do right if you look at the
control function you look at it the only way you’re gonna understand where you
are is by looking at the totality of it where are you on the graph yeah right
and so I like that idea a lot because he forces you also to look at the past I
see too many athletes that are just never happy with where they are because
they don’t look at where they were they only look at where they want to be yeah
but that’s the problem with goal-setting by the way goal-setting means you you
fail every second up until the moment when you wish to go and that becomes
that where you can’t see the forest for the trees you know you’re lost in the
woods and you’re fucking walking a walk
and you’re ten steps away from the edge from the fucking Street yeah you don’t
see it yeah and by the way but it’s also the problem was gone sitting in that
aspect of you’re never happy because you’re failing because you haven’t
reached the goal the problem is when you which you really realized that that’s
not the point that was never the point was never the outcome was the journey
there so during the journey you only thought about destination and what
should we to destination you realize it’s all about the journey so now you
set the next goal and then you’re back to this is about the destination so you
fuck up the journey when you get there you realize I don’t care about the
destination it was a journey and you can do that for an entire life yeah yeah
well you can burn out very quickly with that well yeah because by the second
time you put all the work and we go back to what we talked about in the lab
podcast which you never celebrate victories yeah nothing but suffering and
disappointment because even though it’s half of something you’re disappointed by
how it feels yeah and again like and because you never look back you never
realize how far you’ve come yeah and if you can’t realize how far
you’re come there is no victory yeah there’s only disappointment because
you’re never all good enough you never will be
that’s what a guy like Matt Fraser keeps training there’s always gonna be your
voice in your head that tells you this is not good enough it’s never good
enough it’s never finished until I get Charles Xavier superpowers I’m not done
yeah but then even if I get that I was like gonna be boring too yeah I mean
like it’s never you guys are laughing but on that shows it’s never enough so
you you have to be able to look at the graph like first of all I’m not don’t is
always all that because that’s another problem too if you think your like if
you’re happy if you reach your goal and you’re happy about it your fault
yeah you have to find something else that happened to me in in some spot I
was like I’m good don’t yeah never completely well you know and one I think
and I think if you do it right any of you things within the lens what we’re
talking about today is that gives you at least for me it gives me when I look at
an athlete or say I’m just going someone nutrition I look at it I go okay well
what I can get by making sure I look through things with this lens as I will
get perspective yes I know I have to have patience ah I know what the
progression is gonna be and I’m gonna have a plan it’s so me it’s it’s all
that it’s exactly and perspective being the number one because like
are you better than you we’re yes then you’re doing good yeah right
did you reach your full potential no all right so we have work to do good then
yeah we got shit to do positive because the road from being being fat and
sedentary to being fit and doing bar muscle-ups there’s so many things so
many in between meaning meaning you need perspective and you by the way you need
you had the person need to change yeah yeah and so you need to know when you’re
working with the person like that that it’s like I know this is what they want
but you then need to get them to buy in on the process and that’s the tricky
part and and that’s that’s why these basics I think it’s it’s the most
important thing to communicate to your clients as much of these larger concepts
you can use for yourself yes but I think of a person yeah your person needs to
understand that here is where you are we’re going to tighten this up to here I
understand that but we need to work on this and then this and then this and by
the way and every step of the way say look what we started yeah yeah look how
much progress made this is the number one issue that I see me is people that
can’t see how much progress they’ve made how many people lose a hundred pounds
and you can tell they still hate themselves and I’m like and understand
that you don’t look the way you want because most likely you’re looking at a
dude on Instagram who has a perfect light and he’s a fucking freak anyway
yeah and god knows what he’s doing a while and other people in those
situations never have liked the way that they looked so the question is where and
and then that case never will so then might as well fuck Cemetery already like
but at the same time like I try to tell him say do you understand what it takes
to lose a hundred pounds like you’ve done it so obviously you know what it
takes but you don’t realize how hard it is for most people to lose 20 pounds
like add some guys I lost half their body weight from 140 kilo to 70 hours
activity that’s amazing what it takes to do that is mind boggling guys are like
and you can tell they’re not happy I was that must be so proud
and I figure and I think it’s important for that too as though it went so for an
outsider when you view something like that
or not you but someone else you view someone who’s lost 100 pounds and maybe
they’re not super happy with the way they look your name and and and that
that is normal but but one of the things you said is that it’s such a magnitude
of work that goes into it right but we talk about this all the time is that you
need to change who you are yeah and and so they don’t view it as it’s not this
magnitude of work it is it is that they have changed to become this person
however liking what you looked like then they never knew how to do yeah
meaning they haven’t learned how to do that yet yeah so however if a person is
more in love with the process of changing where they are then they can
have more perspective and more respectful and they would realize
they’re not the same person yeah most of the problem with the people lose 100
pounds and they’re not happy is that into their body and they feel the same
but they think they’re the same person so they see themselves exactly the fatty
who has 400 pounds well actually know you’re at 300 but the point is you
became a different person than your world 300 at 4 you don’t do well when
you are at four most likely you’ll never go back you are a different person you
just not giving yourself the credit for what you have made the switch anybody
who goes from seven Terry to active in you know like we don’t stuff yeah like
set goals I’ve confusion every second is you’re not the same person anymore you
have learned but you gonna have to learn to see that you are not the same person
anymore it’s such a part of the journey yeah right it’s that’s the journey
realizing that you may you become a better person as you go you learn more
its alpha zero right you every day you become a little bit of a better better
version of yourself oh you go the other way busy but you have to realize that
you’re not the same person and so I think a huge job of the coach is not
just to motivate to go to the next goal it’s also to give the client perspective
on how much they have accomplished no it does not make yourself no it does not
make you stop from wanting more yeah no it doesn’t but people need perspectives
you go look I’ve done all that you have to be able to celebrate victories yeah
the small one the big ones you have to be able to stop once in one and go man
mm-hmm I made progress and by the way guys I
the same shit myself with pool and stuff like that well I’m never happy but once
you know what I’m like all right yeah well I think it’s important that the the
things that you do do shape who you are yes you know the things you do and more
so when I mean do it the things you do that’s easy really and but also the
things that you accomplish well I think they do help it’s not as important as
all the things that you’ve done to get James yeah I think the accomplishment at
the end is a good validation for you to the person that you become summation of
the process yes a measure on our the target yeah I I to me I judge people
based on what the in do and based based on what they do not based on the outcome
that they which because too many things going to it right that is Tommy never
the measure of a person measure of a person is what activity can they do and
what activity are the enduring and that basically the gap between doing an
enduring will tell me more or less well they go in life because I mean the firm
believer that people don’t go an inch pass for the thing they deserve and that
enduring like you see them doing certain things and I can always see when they
switch from being active like doing stuff to enduring which is losing which
is far more passive and that tells me that they are rich they are capacity at
the moment because they can’t fight past that pontifical and you stop exactly at
the point you will are willing to give up yeah that’s the difference she’s
doing versus enduring if you get in life what you’re ready to fight for what
you’re willing to fight for the second you go to enduring that means you do not
deserve that thing I don’t it’s not that I think you don’t deserve it is you
think you don’t deserve it that’s what you’re going to enjoying you don’t think
you’re capable of fighting whatever that so now you’re passive about it you’re in
flight you’re losing you’re willing to accept the suffering instead of fighting
it and that is where you stop in life that right moment when you go from doing
to injuring is as far as you will go in your life and so there’s no that’s not a
fixed point mmm that’s not a destination that’s not an outcome
it’s a where is that ouch basically that arch tells you where you stopped in life
well that’s why it’s so important what I want to make sure we do let’s cover this
last aspect I want to plug one more thing
give you the control function before we go we have time he a little bit time
always but all the time as long as the batteries roll but exactly doggies
sleeping so we couldn’t do this I want to know how the Karl forsen and some of
the the prediction model how that applies to this process of the control
function because I look at it from the outside as well when I see this process
I see all of this experience that is completely new there’s no reference
meaning every single imprint feeling experience is going to be a new one
which i think is very positive for learning I think that’s how you stay
engaged I think connecting to that process where
your feeling and experience a new thing you’re writing new code I think that
like that’s why the first and stuff made so much sense to me is more than how it
tied into to these basics so if you get explained that better so remember the
point of the cow first often not the car it’s not like what he explained what
life is right the point of the the purpose of life is to minimize mistakes
right and so that’s what you see as a the control function why the amplitude
that you see now we’re gonna die I was just sorry there’s a beep in the backup
module yeah what’s the drug the exhibition measure the the is the
amplitude of the mistake so basically what you see is the amplitude of the
surprise yes that’s right I think it’s important to say this is in this case
it’s it’s surprised not mistakes yes because while we’re saying this process
is about limiting mistakes that is a process of trial and error there will be
mistakes but every one of those things you’re surprised your addiction becomes
more accurate in how you will feel and so what’s interesting about that is it’s
never about we’re not saying it is to minimize surprise but it’s not to stop
at the no surprise stuff because life doesn’t you never have no surprises
that’s why there is no perfection so same thing what we’re saying is the
purpose of life in a cafe stoneware is to minimize surprise is to make sure
that the that the control function becomes well damped which means the
machine is running smooth oh no smoothly but smooth Earl so that there’s
less shit happen less deviation that’s all so either you go less the deviation
which is life or you go more deviation which is death yeah and so life was
either one way or another well entropy always increases basically
means that the deviation usually get bigger
that’s what non-life does that’s why the universe goes to one if it’s not alive
to die the Divya deviation just get bigger and bigger and bigger so that’s
the example we’re using of a drop of ink into a bucket of water it disperses it
goes all over the fucking place until you can see the ink anymore the ink is
dead you know that sense I mean and that’s
why because the implicit have increased to a point where it’s off the chart
right what life tries to do is try to bring the ink back together from not
because the ink is that when you get the What life
tries to do is to minimize the amplitude of mistakes, of surprises.. So life is a
well-damped control function. Really what the point of life is to
diminish that amplitude. Again, it’s not to not have an amplitude. It’s not
going to happen. There will be surprises in life always. It seems the
universe is more probabilistic, not deterministic. There will be surprises
but the goal of life is to learn from that. So what I like about this again
is the idea of time is that we move forward. As we move forward we learn more
and more and more and more and more.. Forward only exists if there’s a
past. Time only exists because there was something before. but perfection is a thing that I guess
you could call it whatever you want to call perfection is in a movement or
training or whatever in your end but you’re just not going to be fully there
so that while that progress exists that is the only thing that exists that
really done it yes there is no destination yeah and and I think with
this is that also means that you’re as a prediction machine yeah where you as
humans we operate is that that is always a self-correcting automatic process okay
so these things line up and they run the same fucking way
and I’d like that as a concept detached from the body and as a comment
you think this perfection means you ignoring the fact that there is no life
that’s the problem is you think you’re gonna go to that straight line there you
can’t because there is none life it’s like the ink it’s gonna try to two dice
first and you pee always increases the point of life is to bring back so it’s
like breathing you go in and out and in and out and in and out that’s how life
works it’s in and out in and out in and it’s not just in so you never gonna
reach yeah perfection that’s the point is the other
side that tries to pull you apart and your fight against that is what makes
you alive so literally the point is the fucking you gotta start on that path
yeah it’s the thing it’s the path it’s not the destination there is no
destination because although otherwise you negate either life or non-life you
negate the fact that there is a duality a dichotomy in the universe we live in
which is there is no life on one side night life on the other and the truth is
there is that there is both and then they fight each other if you want to
right ignoring thinking looking for perfection is denying either one or the
other yeah it’s a being in a list orbital well in my opinion – is that
like denying that as a concept is just being fucking like purposefully ignorant
well it’s okay wait I think so in a list or religious person yeah like life
forever oh no life are oh yeah right no sound
wrong and you have too many closed doors and then then everything becomes too now
yeah and then but again that makes you miss half of the equation and without
the other half there is no equation yeah and that’s a little bit so if you take
the notion of time away from your coaching that’s exactly what you’re
doing because you’re not looking at what happened and you’re not looking at the
potential for word either case you’re missing the point entirely life is not a
picture it’s a movie yeah you don’t get to take it so you’re coaching is the
same no coaching is a movie not a picture you don’t take you don’t get to
look at someone move take a in your mind a picture of that movement go it should
look like this like this or like that doesn’t work like that
maybe not today like yeah me it doesn’t work that’s not look that’s not the job
yeah the job is better right not not position tension not you know more
better the goal of you as a coaching is to get
the person to move better that’s it there is no straight line there is no
outcome there is no destination Johnny there if you don’t understand
that your Foreman but fundamentally don’t understand how the universe works
and that’s what the Calif Whiston and the Schroedinger basically is about is
that develop that dichotomy of what the universe is made for there are those two
forces right and it’s the balance between the two that get us somewhere I
think and what is this 43 episodes I think this is my favorite episode and I
think it’s the thing we talked about before this was I think we’ll revisit
every 3-4 episode so I think we’ll go back and to something that maybe you had
talked about three years ago four years ago but yeah Charles Munger Principia
all the one that I listed in my head when I started my coaching career truly
and we go and control function was a big one and then they go at that yeah and we
can deep dive into that and then and then that way really we can critical
mass yeah all the early ones I think whenever you three yes we podcast three
four podcast we should go at all your early principles of strong faith they
still value because what’s funny is have had these conversations many times and
yet have not had them really in depth since we talked you know first and we
were talking about because I still pushing so it’s uh it would make it
makes these original conversations or these are original subjects way more
what’s the word I’m a comprehensive yeah thing but you see that’s what for me
nothing none of this is new the consciousness stuff is a new it’s
explained better yes more advanced it’s proven to be there if you will and I
think I think in your case is I think you’ve understood that these things
worked in kind of why yeah but as something like like as first and stuff
comes along what that is is it’s just a it’s a very thorough way of
communication that you aren’t gonna get to on your own no typical how are you
gonna explain this to me well you need this guy’s twenty thirty forty years of
experience and thousand papers and exactly to then get all that
concentrated and then you can unload it to me in a way where I can pick it and
it’s far more and those guys allow me to be far more precise yeah because now by
the way and then there’s also an important part is understanding a
concept not being able to apply it means you have not understood it correctly
yeah Fuli what correctly fully sorry my bad
fully so the fact that for example a Kalfas turn on how to fix a prediction
that wasn’t one of the most brilliant think I’ve ever read because that change
the way you feel I was like that’s what they do
yeah and now I so all that stuff is application like the boot from Polaris
is like how to apply this ya know and and that that is part of a larger
understanding so the concept are always new but you need to ever broad enough
understanding that you can apply it as well not just know yeah right yeah to
communicate to the rest of the human so these these larger understandings
getting plugged into the some of the some of the cool things you have to I’m
really looking forward to it yes it should be a lot of fun yeah that is the
end of this trip so when you see us next week I’ll be hopefully thinner more
handsome right or something like a month of your three or four weeks away or
something I’ll be big-oh Julian will be bigger I
hope I’m just smarter yeah hopefully so but that’s got us about wrapped up for
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next week there you go do it till next week host number three just made it and
the dog did not leave the couch the whole time yeah I I lost the bet I lost
a bit yeah I know I lost the bet totally yeah all right
thanks guys and we’ll see you next week you

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